‘Completely outrageous’: Couple contend they were denied commune unit over sex of baby

A Vancouver family believes they were denied a section in a commune housing formidable since their baby is a lady and not a boy.

When Kristjan Gottfried and his mother Michelle Hurtig got a news they were initial in line for an section in a commune housing formidable in one of a many fascinating and costly cities in a country, they felt like they’d won a lottery.

They never illusory station in a approach of claiming that kitty was a sex of their unborn baby.

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The integrate initial contacted Go Public in Jun after they were told by a deputy of Marina Housing Co-operative that they were initial on a list for a two-bedroom section but, before their focus could proceed, a commune house indispensable to know a sex of their unborn baby.

Getting a 2-bedroom section in Vancouver’s Marina Housing Co-Operative would have meant a couple’s lease would dump from $1,840 to $895 a month. (CBC)

At a time, Hurtig was 7 months pregnant. The integrate also has a two-year-old son.

The commune house repute told a integrate if a baby was a girl, a accessible section could go to another applicant since boys and girls can't share a bedroom underneath a co-op’s rules.

The family would have to wait for a three-bedroom — that competence take years.

The commune refused to yield Go Public with a duplicate of a rules. There is a identical guideline on a books of Canada’s inhabitant housing agency.

The couple’s baby lady was innate on Aug 21st, a few months after they were told a baby’s sex was an issue. They also have a two-year-old son. (Kristjan Gottfried)

The Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) guideline suggests children of conflicting sexes can’t share a bedroom if they are over a age of five, though it’s OK for children of a same sex to do so.

Gottfried and Hurtig trust it should be adult to relatives to confirm when and if children share a room.

“I would report it as being totally vast and abominable and usually unbelievable,” Gottfried tells Go Public.

“No matter how we suspicion about it, we couldn’t unequivocally hang my mind around it,” Hurtig says.

The one-income family says income is tight. Getting a section would have meant their lease would dump from $1,840 to $895 a month.

“It’s discrimination. We get a room if a children are a same sex and we don’t get a room if a children are not a same sex. It’s very, unequivocally definite discrimination,” Gottfried said.

Baby’s sex a factor, voicemail

Gottfried and Hurtig supposing Go Public with a voicemail summary from a lady who identifies herself as a co-chair of a Marina Housing Co-op’s membership committee.

Listen to a summary here:

“What we told we during a time when we initial called we is we asked you, since we were a initial on a list, if we knew… a sex of your child entrance and we didn’t and that’s fine,” a lady says.

“We can't offer we a section since we do not know a sex of your child.”

In a voicemail, a lady also says she’s “talked to everybody here” and that a commune is usually following a manners and standards.

The lady says on a summary that other possibilities would be interviewed, and credit and anxiety checks finished before a final preference was done on who would get a accessible unit.

“So greatfully usually accept that this is a approach it is right now and greatfully hit us in Aug as we asked we to, and advise [us] of a sex of your baby and afterwards we’ll know where we’re going relocating forward.”

In late August, a integrate had a baby girl.

Sex of baby not factor, commune says

In email exchanges with Go Public, a commune house denies a family was never deliberate for a section and a sex of a baby was not a cause in who would get a apartment.

Board members contend a usually reason Gottfried came to their courtesy was since he flooded a co-chair of a co-op’s membership cabinet with content messages and was perplexing to change a process.

Kristjan Gottfried and Michelle Hurtig’s trust if their baby had been a boy, they would been postulated a dual bedroom commune unit. (Kristjan Gottfried)

“The member who is newly a proffer in this position on a membership cabinet was and stays unsettled by this attention,” a commune house told Go Public.

Gottfried admits he did send countless content messages in a brief duration of time, though says it was a technical glitch where a same summary was sent several times.

The commune house was asked to explain a voicemail summary observant a family could not have a section if their baby incited out to be a girl.

The board’s counsel responded, observant a co-chair of a co-op’s membership cabinet “was not vocalization on interest of a board.”

“The recording so does not in any approach change what has always been a board’s position as to a basement for a rejection.

The commune house told Go Public that a integrate was never in a using for a dual bedroom section in a Marina Housing Co-operative. (CBC)

“Even if a recording is accurate and has not been altered, it shows that a new proffer who was clearly impressed spoke about a commune in a approach that was not certified and did not accurately paint a co-op,” wrote Vancouver profession Geoffrey H. Dabbs in an email to Go Public.

We asked a lady who left a summary if she common that perspective, though she hasn’t replied.

National standards outdated

“Frankly, we am dubious that somebody would ask a gender of somebody’s baby before it’s born,” says Jennifer Ramsay, orator for a Ontario Human Rights Legal Support Centre.

Ramsay believes a family is being discriminated conflicting in dual ways — a sex of a baby and makeup of a family.

She says she’s seen situations like this arise when landlords adopt CMHC discipline that are old-fashioned and open to disagreement or abuse, indicating to a one that suggests children of conflicting sexes can’t share a bedroom if they are over a age of five.

A CMHC orator told Go Public a guideline is dictated to residence overcrowding.

“There are many discriminatory policies that are on a books and they live there for years until they’re challenged legally,” Ramsay says.

‘Affordable housing crisis’

Ramsay says a manners need to change in sequence to residence a “affordable housing crisis” in some Canadian cities.

“It’s usually removing worse. And to arbitrarily repudiate someone housing formed on a fact that their children might be of opposite genders — it’s totally absurd,” she said.

Jennifer Ramsay, orator for a Ontario Human Rights Legal Support Centre, believes a family might have been discriminated conflicting by a co-op. (CBC)

Vancouver has a lowest cavity rate and a top lease increases in a country, followed by Victoria afterwards Toronto, according to a CMHC report expelled final year.

“Sure, everybody would adore to have their possess bedroom. But that’s not a reality. People can’t means one bedroom per child,” Ramsay said.

Gottfried and Hurtig are now looking to move. They contend they can’t means to live in Vancouver any some-more and devise to pierce to a reduction costly city in a Lower Mainland.

“Just kind of creates we feel ill to your stomach … we was super vehement about carrying a lady and we still am. I’m usually unhappy it will cost us,” Hurtig said.

“I felt unequivocally discriminated conflicting and kind of like an event was stolen from a family.”
 

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